Images and Interpretations

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 01/22/2019 at 08:48 • Filed to: None

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Film is gone and anyone in Oppo Land who is serious about photography and video editing knows that it’s difficult to know what is real in a digital image. But there’s enough obviously real in this image, and accompanying images, to be problematic.

The writer in this Atlantic piece makes a case that things may not be exactly as they appear, that folks’ interpretation is lacking or, my term, front loaded . I believe he is correct.

If I look at this image, at the smirking youth on the left, a second time , I can imagine some doofus adolescent boy goofing around in a moment more complex and volatile than he has any idea. The expression on the youth in the center is a bit more troubling to me, more difficult to parse.

Prevalent though, is that the youth and his cohort chose to display their MAGA hats that day and their lives will never be the same for it. With those who steadfastly claim that rhetoric does not matter, I argue otherwise.

DutchieDC2R > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 09:24

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I dont know what the actual truth is around that subject, Ive read and heard that there are several videos surrounding that incident, one that encompasses the whole event, which included some black Israelites yelling some very nasty stuff to the kids and the old man.

Again, I don’t know the whole truth behind it and have no interest in judging without knowing or having an idea of what is going on, but the conclusion can be made that this image is easy to use and abuse, especially in todays society and its problems.

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 09:31

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10 Yr Challenge - Still the red hat gets a rap from the critics. 

Jayhawk Jake > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 09:36

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I must have missed something in the initial wave on this. There was so much anger and all I saw in the viral video was a kid standing still with a guy in his face. Yes, he was wearing a MAGA hat and a smirk, but there are much worse ways one could express whatever it is people are accusing him of expressing.

I also have been somewhat disgusted at people’s willingness to dox the kid and try to ruin his life. Again, there are much worse things a kid could do than what I saw in the video, trying to drag him down so much just seems insane to me. 

DipodomysDeserti > nermal 01/22/2019 at 09:49

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No Fred, we hate you because you make shitty fucking music which makes chuds in lifted trucks think they’re hard.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 10:00

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What I find most shocking about this episode was that a bunch of male virgins thought it was appropriate to protest against the reproductive rights of women. It takes a whole lot of entitlement for a kid who doesn’t even know ho w to use his own dick to tell women what they can do with their uteri.

I’ve seen that shit eating grin on the face of male teenagers before. That’s more of a “am I about to get my ass kicked” face than it is anything else. They get a weird look on their faces when they realize they don’t know what a blow to the chin feels like.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 10:11

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Personally I feel like every one of those kids embodies the word backpfeifengesicht. Those kids made the choice to wear their worldview loud and proud. They knew it was inflammatory to the audiences they would encounter in DC. And what do you know, Scott Jennings’ PR firm - the one that managed McConnell’s SuperPACs, is the one that sent out the press releases. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 10:13

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It’s hard to see much wrong with their behavior exhibited in the video(s) , besides the few that seem to be mocking Mr. Phillips. I think Sandmann just made the decision to not move out of the way - perfectly reasonable! - and in doing so, it turned into what could be viewed as a standoff, a type of confrontation. You can see he’s stifling a laugh, but no one knows his mind at the time. Some see mocking/belittling in that, but it could’ve easily just been nervous laughter at the ridiculousness of the whole situation (including the previous hatred they’d been getting from the BHI group - Mr. Phillips rightly compared them with the Westboro Baptists ). Mr. Phillips intentions were pure, I’m sure, but from his interviews you can hear that he actually was prejudiced, in some way, against the teens (because of what he’d seem from similar-looking groups in the past in the news - young white men in red hats). The prevalent MAGA hats are definitely concerning, though . They had to know that those would get a reaction - some would say just wearing one of those hats these days is “picking a fight” . I’d be interested to know if they took them with them to Washington, or they’d all just bought them there, right before the moment caught on video. Were the teachers and parents supportive of them wearing the hats? But h ere’s where we’re at as a society: when our president is such a debased human being, how exactly do we communicate to our kids that his behavior is unacceptable? It clearly is acceptable to many (or acceptable enough by enough people that they made him president). And how, as a school, can you tell kids that they can’t wear a hat that’s associated with the President of the United States ? There’s nothing inherently hateful about the words “Make America Great Again”, but everything hateful that Trump has said in the last few years now comes under that heading. I hope all of the boys in this video (as well as Mr. Phillips) thoroughly examine their thoughts and behavior related to this event.

It has been a good lesson for the news media, and for all of us, about jumping to conclusions before all the evidence is presented.

WRXforScience > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2019 at 10:24

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I work with teens, I know teens exactly like the kid in the video. He went there to stir shit, and revel in “owning the libs”. He believed there would be no negative consequences for taking a stand against non-white, non-christian, “others”.

Allowing that type of bullshit is how you end up with Nazis. MAGA hats are on their way to becoming the new swastikas. They are shameful displays of hate and intolerance.

The fact that the kid’s parents hired a PR firm and defended his actions instead of ap ologizing or standing behind his hateful ideas is all the evidence I need after watching the full video to determine that this kid and his parents are on the wrong side of history. Hell, if you’re going to have wretched ideals, at least stand behind your actions. If you can only own what you’ve done in front of a cheering throng of like-mined sycophants than even you have to know that your actions are wrong and that you are a coward.  

Since yesterday was MLK day, here’s a quote:

“Evil may so shape events that Caesar will occupy a palace and Christ a cross,... ‘the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.’”

BigBlock440 > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 01/22/2019 at 10:38

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Yep, they shouldn’t have worn those dresses.

DipodomysDeserti > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/22/2019 at 10:49

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I would say that when you have a president who likes to conjur up the image of Andrew “Indian Killer” Jackson, there most definitely is something inherently hateful about the phrase “Make America Great Again”.

However, I’m not into telling people what they can and cannot wear, and encourage people to loudly identify their thoughts and feelings. Don’t be cowards, own up to what you believe.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2019 at 11:04

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That’s the point I was trying to make. While the words themselves aren’t hateful, they carry all the baggage of everything Trump has done and said, and if you wear the hat, you’re basically saying you’re good with all of that. 

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > WRXforScience 01/22/2019 at 11:18

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Well said.

It angered me the family used their religion as leverage to be viewed as victims. I am sure they think he did exactly what Jesus would have done. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience 01/22/2019 at 11:55

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How is your first line not a prejudicial statement?

Yes, he’s wearing a hat, and that does say something, but Sandmann did nothing but stand still. He wasn’t there to take a stand against “others”; he was waiting for a bus.

I agree with you that it’s hard to look at a MAGA hat and not think of hate and intolerance, but we don’t know his motivation for wearing that hat, or what was in his mind or heart. Hell, Kanye wears one... He may have just been wearing one because he’s a stupid kid and he knew it would get a reaction (like a t-shirt with a swear word on it). I hope he now sees it as the mistake it was and burns it.

“hateful ideas” - once again, you don’t know this kid or his family. The only thing that I can see he did wrong was put on that hat (and who knows what his parents or teachers think about that).

If you listen to interviews with Mr. Phillips, it’s clear that his intentions were pure, but that he also carried prejudice (because of what he’d seen in the news of young, white men in red hats) against this group of teens, even though the small BHI group was the one spewing all the hate and vitriol .

King would want us to “ not judge by the color of their skin (or hat, as hard as that might be ) , but by the content of their character”.

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/22/2019 at 12:12

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The kid was there for a march against women’s legal right to abortion then picked a fight with an elderly veteran native american (seriously, that’s 3 distinct groups a teen has no business opposing all in a single person).

I judge this kid by the content, or lack thereof, of his character. He went out of his way to seed hate and promote bigotry. He’s unleashing the police dogs, firing the water cannons, and blocking the doors of newly integrated schools.

I watched those teens chant and mock the groups there, and I see the contempt in the eyes of that kid in the picture. His hat is a bright red beacon marking his hate as clearly as a pointy white hood or red arm band ever could.

That hat has always been a symbol of hate, those who wear it either know and don’t care or don’t care to know.

“ They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists . And some , I assume, are good people . ”-Donald J. Trump

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience 01/22/2019 at 12:31

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Honestly, where do you see him picking a fight? A ll he did was not move.

You may be right. All of that may be in his head. That may be contempt in his eyes. But you don’t know.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DutchieDC2R 01/22/2019 at 14:05

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And what makes it so is the kids’ decision to all display their MAGA hats. A fateful decision, that turns out to be.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 01/22/2019 at 14:07

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I don’t understand what you’re getting at here.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WRXforScience 01/22/2019 at 14:11

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A fateful decision for him, his parents, the school, and his community, wearing that red hat. I avoided being so pointed in my post as you are just here, but I share your sentiments, except that he went there to stir s**t. I don’t know that. But he came back with poop on himself either way.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Jayhawk Jake 01/22/2019 at 14:12

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He’s just a kid. He does not, did not, understand what he’s gotten himself into by wearing that hat with his buddies.

DutchieDC2R > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 14:16

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Yeah, they kept saying somewhere that they ‘weren’t trying to provoke anyone’, but those hats kinda tell a different story. Quite a stupid decision, when you take into account where this happened. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2019 at 14:17

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You assume they are virgins. If they aren’t, they certainly wish they weren’t.

Your post really conveys your anger; I feel it too, though I’ve done a lot of work on being objective about it.

For me it boils down to those red hats and what people — on both sides — thing it represents, want it to represent. The hat is a powerful and very problematic symbol.

But he is just a kid, inured by his environment to be what he is so far. I am beginning to get genuinely anxious about what Donald Trump is doing to this country.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BigBlock440 01/22/2019 at 14:20

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 01/22/2019 at 14:24

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backpfeifengesicht

I had to look that one up. And doing so, wearing their worldview in this manner, is having world-shattering consequences for themselves and their families . The thing is, they’re too young and dumb to understand the ramifications of what they’ve done.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/22/2019 at 14:28

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Thank you for that thoughtful comment. You sum up my own thinking well. They’re just kids. They stirred the pot and it blew up in their faces.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/22/2019 at 14:29

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My first reaction when I saw that image? Post it on Oppo as “Trump Youth.” I’m glad I didn’t. But when did the Hitler Youth stop being dumb kids and go Lord of the Flies ?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DutchieDC2R 01/22/2019 at 14:36

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A stupid decision for which they and their families and their community will pay a very great price.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 14:56

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“Hitler Youth” This is definitely something to consider in the greater context for our nation and our world : how many young people today are being indoctrinated into this hateful mindset? Lots of people are being emboldened to say what they really think by our President (thoughts they may have kept to themselves in the past), and what if those people are your parents, teachers or classmates? I’m not saying that’s what’s at work with this particular group of teens, but it’s possible. At some point, everyone has to learn to think for themselves and any backwards ideas of your parents are no excuse, but all children mature at a different rate, and if all you’ve been taught is hate, how would you know any better?

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 14:59

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I just don’t understand how “person is shitty to other person” makes national news these days. Someone want to follow me around at work? people are shitty to me constantly.

Ahh, It’s because it’s racism/anti veteran/political BS. Not going to address the actual issues here are we?

And no, I didn’t watch the video. I must be a bad person.

I feel as if society and it’s evils are inescapable. I just want to work and be left alone.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/22/2019 at 15:02

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People that I would consider to be good people are deciding that what the POTUS is saying is not harmful. I remember hearing a rap lyric, I believe it was Tupac, saying “I ain’t no f***ing role model.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > My bird IS the word 01/22/2019 at 15:06

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I think you take a head-in-the-sand view here, which is certainly your prerogative. W hat makes this news is the MAGA hats . And the man who foisted those hats upon us is likely jubilant right now because we are thinking about this instead of Robert Mueller, for example.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 15:07

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Way too many people are making way too many excuses for this guy. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/22/2019 at 15:11

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For Tupac? For the youth in the picture?

I think the point I am making generally, is that it’s good to check one’s initial reactions and impressions because they are informed, tainted if you will, buy one’s own experiences. I work with youth and they do a bunch of dumb-headed stuff. That boy in that picture turned his life upside down and it will never be the same. Decisions have consequences. If we can have some thoughtful discussions about it all, then perhaps a small measure of good can come from it.

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 15:11

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Nobody asked Trump how he felt about this. That’s a logical fallacy.

If I go around punching homeless people covered head to toe in obama campaign stickers, does that say something about the man? It’s easy to pick the bottom of the barrel for campaign supporters. Thats roughly ~20% of americans.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 15:15

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For Trump.

Giving people the benefit of the doubt goes a long way. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > My bird IS the word 01/22/2019 at 15:25

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One could ask Mr. Trump how he feels about this, buy why? What would be the point? Trump believes everything he thinks, anyway.

If you dressed up like an Obama person and went around punching people, that would be an aberration. Besides, Obama hasn’t been president for over two years now. The red hats are a symbol. Of what? Let us decide. But those youth flaunted that symbol and now you and I are talking about it on Oppo, which is among the very least of the reactions the wearing of that symbol got that boy and his family, his school, his church, his community.

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 15:39

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The whole thing is absurd. He’s a figurehead, or maybe I have the wrong mindset. Blame everything on him since he’s a figurehead.

Remind me to never run for office.

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 15:45

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It’s a line in the song. Relevant due to the hate for red hats. 

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 15:51

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Stuff like this doesn’t actually upset me, as it’s exactly what I’ve come to expect, and overall, very inconsequential. I was mostly being a smartass.

I would hope a group of individual’s pious enough to protest against the reproductive rights of women wouldn’t then go out and fornicate! Since they surely wouldn’t use birth control, they’re liable to get someone pregnant! Then what?

nermal > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2019 at 16:04

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This is a terrible ta ke . Especially in the context that you’re talking about 15-17 year old high schoolers.

The topic of abortion is controversial for a reason - One side is arguing for taking away the reproductive rights of a woman, in order to give the right to life to an unborn child. On the flip side , the opposition is arguing for the reproductive rights of a woman, at the expense of the right to life of an unborn child.

Having experience with putting your weiner in another person is not a prerequisite to having an opinion on the matter.

Also, the kids did a great job in not escalating the situation to violence. I think they chose the most “adult” response of the three groups involved .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal 01/22/2019 at 16:05

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I listened to 1:39 of that song. I didn’t think it was very good. How many people alive today have ever laid eyes on a payphone?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2019 at 16:06

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My position is that women need to have access to a full range of options in order to take care of their bodies.

nermal > WRXforScience 01/22/2019 at 16:08

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MAGA hats are the new Confederate Flags - There’s a reason people wear / display them, and there’s a distinctly different reason why people get offended by them.

nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 16:11

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I’d wager that nobody younger than about 20 knows what they are.   

BigBlock440 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 16:15

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“If she wouldn’t have worn that skimpy dress, she wouldn’t have gotten raped”.  Just changing the gender and article of clothing, implying that the other party is not able to control their impulses.

WRXforScience > nermal 01/22/2019 at 16:16

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It’s the same reason, unless you’ve got a rabid Dukes of Hazard fan with a sweet C harger.

DipodomysDeserti > nermal 01/22/2019 at 16:22

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Having a weiner should disqualify you from deciding whether or not someone else gives birth, whether or not you’ve ever used it.

I’ve watched my wife give birth twice naturally. There’s no fucking way anyone other than her has any standing as to whether she has to do that or not.

But by all means, if you ever get a significant other pregnant, ask her if she’d like to ask the local high school football team how she should proceed with the pregnancy.

Reproductive rights aren’t controversial when you remove superstition from the equation. Woman have been handling it themselves for tens of thousands of years just fine.

nermal > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2019 at 16:39

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Any decision between two items is vastly easier to make when you completely ignore one of them!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BigBlock440 01/22/2019 at 16:44

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I understand the analogy, but I don’t see how it applies. Are you connecting the skimpy dress with the red hat?

DipodomysDeserti > nermal 01/22/2019 at 16:50

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Especially if one of the items only thinks they’re apart of the decision because they happened to cum!

Self autonomy really is a simple concept.

nermal > DipodomysDeserti 01/22/2019 at 17:13

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You do realize that I’m referring to the baby, right?

You do realize that you’re completely ignoring that aspect , right?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 17:21

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Sandmann at 2:12 attempts to quiet/calm down a fellow student, and then finally walks away from the 2 minute long “standoff”. Soon after, Mr. Phillips’ less-than-peaceful friend shouts, “we f—-ing walked them off!”. Quite interesting to me that Mr. Phillips gave no trouble to the BHI guys in all this ... also, beating a drum right in someone’s face could easily be viewed an an aggressive act.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 18:55

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Actions have consequences . Y ou call them kids, but anyone in high school   is old enough to know this. They are not young enough for that to be an excuse anymore.

Those kids knew exactly what they were doing, regardless of how many videos there are.

Did you know that school has an athletic cheering section that paints themselves in black face? 

They know EXACTLY what they are doing and   deserve every consequence to their actions .

bubblestheturtle > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/22/2019 at 20:09

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“... adolescent boy goofing around in a moment more complex and volatile than he has any idea. ” ` Tis a good point. We put adult understanding on kids a lot. We put human behavior on animals a lot as well, but that is a different discussion.
There is certainly a possibility that h e was being a sme g- head on purpose, but not with the intent or understanding that has been app lied to him.

DipodomysDeserti > nermal 01/22/2019 at 20:49

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Good luck asking a fetus for medical and family planning advice.

Babies aren’t really good with those types of questions either.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 01/22/2019 at 23:17

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I hope I don’t give the impression of making excuses for him; I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt. But if he gets doxxed or whatever, he brought it on himself. And Donald Trump is probably delighted because we’re talking about this instead of Robert Mueller.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > bubblestheturtle 01/22/2019 at 23:18

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Yes. And I tried to cover that in my initial post. Whatever his motivations or his intent, I predict his life will never be the same.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/23/2019 at 10:37

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I hope Ms. Guthrie asked Sandmann why he decided to buy and wear a MAGA hat, and if he regrets doing so. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/23/2019 at 11:18

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Honestly? I have not viewed any of the video of the incident. I gathered the chatter I heard around it and nothing you’ve described has added or subtracted much from my appraisal. I sort of, kind of, knew what sort(s) of thing(s) must have taken place and your comments have borne those out.

It’s about the hat, and what the hat represents. Or doesn’t represent. And those boys’ choices to display the hat. Will they regret having worn it? They will certainly experience direct consequences for having done.

And people I know, people I consider good people, reflexively — reflexively — respond that Trump and his rhetoric cannot possibly be doing any harm to the country. I am totally and completely baffled.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BigBlock440 01/23/2019 at 11:20

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I was glad to hear from you. I hope you enjoyed your holidays. I n these discussions, I always value your perspective.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/23/2019 at 11:25

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I much prefer to take in information myself and come to my own conclusions rather than form any opinion based on others’ takes. Unfortunately, sometimes there’s no time to do so.

Those people are wrong.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/23/2019 at 12:05

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Those people are wrong.

I tend to agree, and it hurts because they are people I love.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/23/2019 at 12:07

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I much prefer to take in information myself...

Same here. Though in this case, the picture and the surrounding chatter sufficed. I don’t like to only talk to people that agree with me, unless we’re taking things a step further.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/23/2019 at 12:19

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My parents have been taken in by this snake-oil salesman...

Some see him as a modern-day Jeroboam (an evil man carrying out God’s will). For pro-life people who put that issue at the top of the stack, his changes to the Supreme Court validate their support of him. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/23/2019 at 13:11

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I’ve been thinking about the Constitution lately and how convenient it is for white men to ignore, in the name of Originalism, how the Constitution codifies the advantages of being white in this country. President Trump has already hired two men to dig Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s grave.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/23/2019 at 13:27

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It’s crazy that in just 2 years, he’s been able to change the court just as much as Clinton, W and Obama each did in 8 years. I do wonder what precedent the mess with Merrick Garland  has set for the future.

BigBlock440 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/23/2019 at 13:48

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Yes, it’s exactly the same mindeset, “they shouldn’t have worn X if they didn’t want a reaction”. That seemed to be the bulk of these comments here when asking what the kids did wrong to try and deflect the blame from the adults and actual aggressors just because they agree with “your” side’s narrative. I wish I could say I was surprised by the hypocrisy.  We’d all be better off without the internet, or at least “social” media.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/23/2019 at 13:49

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The Garland thing was a robbery. But there’s also Harry Ri ed and the “nuclear option” thing that he started. WRT Trump, I just have to kind of cover my ears and go, Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BigBlock440 01/23/2019 at 14:08

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“they shouldn’t have worn X if they didn’t want a reaction”

I don’t agree. A miniskirt is (revealing) clothing; the MAGA hat is a symbol.

Right after O.J. Simpson’s acquittal*, I was in school and older than most of the students. There was a discussion group that I attended where the group was talking about race issues. I brought up a T-shirt I’d seen that said, prominently, “It’s a black thing; you wouldn’t understand.” A black woman who was in the group said, “It’s just a piece of fashion !” I didn’t buy that then and I don’t buy it now.

The miniskirt in your comparison doesn’t have any writing on it, literal or implied . Like, Wanna hit this?

Part of what I attempted to convey was that I too was initially tempted to get mad, but I checked myself.

* During the televised trial, I bought a universal television remote and a group of us took turns passing through the common room at the Student Union and surreptitiously turning off the television and changing its channel. Then we’d rejoin and continue to work on our Math homework.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BigBlock440 01/23/2019 at 14:16

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If anything, I’m more like, “You wore that thing, now look what’s happened!” And for all of the reaction to those hats, I don’t think anyone can honestly say it’s not like the president hasn’t gone out of his way to VIGOROUSLY stir the pot every chance he gets. He relentlessly chums the water and then whines when the sharks get agitated and bite him. Really childish.